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asdar · Jun 20, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

I have no problem with runners or players being run but I do have a big problem with people going back to low level arena's with characters in Droknar's armor.

You can't kill an average player in Drok armor if you're a level 8 in Ascalon. I mean you could sit there with your 8-14 sword pounding on a monk for an hour and he'll be able to heal himself.

The absolutely ruins the purpose of the under 10 arena.

The rest of it, I don't care about. It's their own game and I don't mind them skipping it any more than I'd mind them taking a pen and writing "I Won" all over their game boxes. It doesn't affect anyone else so why worry about it.

If they go to Drak and back to Ascalon then they're cheating scum in my opinion and cowards and bully's. Go to an appropriate arena to fight and find challenge and let the lower levels have their fun.

KaPe · Jun 20, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

"Agreed all these arenas along the way mean nothing towards rank or anything like that so i don't se the problem really"

They're meant for F U N. I know this is knew concept for hardcore PvPers , but some people just want to test their character against others of comparable level. Their skill choice is far from perfect, so it's a chance to try it out without risk of losing anything. But here comes the guy with end game armor, who you can't even scratch - did I mention he picked up some weapons along the way? The kind you wouldn't find *yet* playing normally? It's *so* fun playing against someone who you can't beat. Sure, *if* your skill set is made *exactly* to counter him, you might succeed - but it's unlikely.

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 20, 2005, 07:14 PM // 19:14

I like this, it makes me chuckle.

So, you are angry because someone has better armor than you, and is able to beat you because of it?

First off low lvl PvP is like the Fischer-Price of PvP. If you are so upset because someone is beating you because they have better armor, go get some better armor. It is not like it is some unattainable thing reserved for the godly. Armor becomes almost irrelevant in HoH or GvG, because the amount of damage that is being thrown around, and everyone is wearing the same thing pretty much. You do not gain anything from the arenas, except the experience of play. So, from you learned experience of play you learned that better armor wins!

What you are essentially saying is. That it is not fair because someone beat you, and because you wanted to beat them.

Armor and weapons are simply tools. They assist you, but they do not do the job without you.

Some people want to n00b bash. That is fine it is like hazing, or initiation. Something younger generations have not experienced as much of, because of censorship and political correctness. If you don't like being n00b bashed then don't enter in low lvl PvP arenas with pre-searing armor and expect to win.

Saerden · Jun 20, 2005, 07:15 PM // 19:15

I believe the running will be nerfed: the devs made clear that the competitive part in this game is to get 3 characters through the story without commiting suicide. Everything that is a way around the "intended" progression is an exploit or at least an oversight that will be fixed soon.

Honestly, if you think that these people are "cheating" then welcome, you found your new home, grind wars. Dont mind the whiners over there who keep shouting about "skill>time" and such nonesense. They will leave after next weeks updates.

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 20, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by kungfumonkey2

I like this, it makes me chuckle.

First off low lvl PvP is like the Fischer-Price of PvP.

I love that that's awesome wish I could have thought of that one

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 20, 2005, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Uh Beacons perch to Droknars is "intended" proggression, other wise why would they have put a portal there?

From what I have seen so far if you wanted to you could run all the way from Ascalon to Droknars without doing any missions. It will take you a hell of a long time though. The farthest I have ran though is from Ascalon to Nolani Academy.

Learning ways to advance a character quickly takes just as much skill as playing the "Grind", because it takes a knowledge of the game obtained from a lot of play and observation of mechanics.

It is a free world, to move about in as you please. I do not see any programmers out side your house making it so you have to go to the post office before you are allowed to gain access to the grocery store.

asdar · Jun 20, 2005, 07:30 PM // 19:30

I've won 25+ in a row 3 times when I was in Ascalon on my first character with gear I picked up on my own. If you think I'm complaining because I'm losing you're as stupid as I think you are, which is hard to imagine.

Anyone that goes back to Ascalon with Drak armor is looking for an easy win.

Can you deny this? No of course not. I'm not fighting in Ascalon because it's a low level arena, I'll never fight in Ascalon again. Does that mean I think it's right for others to cheat, and if you're in Drak armor in Ascalon arena you are cheating, No and that's all I'm saying.

You say that Ascalon arena doesn't matter, that's fine with me. It doesn't matter so you, and all the other people that think it's ok to ruin the game for others stay away if it doesn't matter.

Your posts make me think that you've done this, or other things like this, that cause others grief to gain a little bit of self respect.

Porkchop Sandwhiches · Jun 20, 2005, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

It's like, if you've already beat the game once, or in most cases more than once, why should we have to do it again?

The biggest problem for me is that these characters are getting things waaay to early. They're running around with spells and armor that they aren't ment to have at level 10 or whatever. Which puts them at a crazy advantage over other players who go through normally.

It's not balanced

Silly twinks.

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 20, 2005, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Your posts make me think that you've done this, or other things like this, that cause others grief to gain a little bit of self respect

Honestly to tell you the truth I have never fought in a low level arena. For me it would be a waste of my time. It does nothing for my character's progression. I use the lvl 20 arenas for team practice, and to experiment different builds. Other than that it is all HoH or GvG

Winning in low lvl PvP is for people to get a taste of PvP. Congrats on your 25+ wins in low lvl PvP. Being dominate at low lvl PvP is like being the tallest midget, who really cares. Have you seen that Sprite commercial yet? With the guys playing on a console and the puppet goes "congradulations on your no prize winning win."

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I've won 25+ in a row 3 times when I was in Ascalon on my first character with gear I picked up on my own.

Well if you have done this so much. Then people coming back with Draknor's armor is not that big of a deal huh?

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 20, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by kungfumonkey2

Winning in low lvl PvP is for people to get a taste of PvP. Congrats on your 25+ wins in low lvl PvP. Being dominate at low lvl PvP is like being the tallest midget, who really cares. Have you seen that Sprite commercial yet? With the guys playing on a console and the puppet goes "congradulations on your no prize winning win."

roflmfao you gotta pm me your ign we need to hang that's funny right thur i don't care who you are

Creston · Jun 20, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by asdar

I've won 25+ in a row 3 times when I was in Ascalon on my first character with gear I picked up on my own. If you think I'm complaining because I'm losing you're as stupid as I think you are, which is hard to imagine.

Anyone that goes back to Ascalon with Drak armor is looking for an easy win.

Can you deny this? No of course not. I'm not fighting in Ascalon because it's a low level arena, I'll never fight in Ascalon again. Does that mean I think it's right for others to cheat, and if you're in Drak armor in Ascalon arena you are cheating, No and that's all I'm saying.

You say that Ascalon arena doesn't matter, that's fine with me. It doesn't matter so you, and all the other people that think it's ok to ruin the game for others stay away if it doesn't matter.

Your posts make me think that you've done this, or other things like this, that cause others grief to gain a little bit of self respect.

So what you're saying is that because of a few griefers who take their high end armor back to the n00b arena, Lornar's pass should be closed.
Okay.

There are griefers who use farming to unbalance the economy. So every form of farming must be made impossible, and all skills that aid in farming must be nerfed.

There are griefers that abuse player to player trade. let's get rid of the trade window, all trade must go through NPC traders.

There are griefers in Elona, in Dunes and in River. These three missions must be disabled.

See what I'm saying? How MANY people have gone back to Ascalon with their Droknar's armor? Five? Ten? Out of, what, a million characters?
If it keeps happening, eventually people will stop playing in the Ascalon arena because of the griefers, and will move on to Yak's bend, by which time skills will be able to take out the advantage of the armor. If some idiot walks around in those arenas, have a mesmer slow him continuously. This is the type of player who uses aimbots and other crap in FPS deathmatch too, if you annoy him without facing him, he'll be gone inside of five minutes.

Just slow him and run circles around him. He'll leave in no time.

Closing Lornar's pass because 0.000000000001% of players use it as a way to feel Godly in the n00b arena is retarded. In the end, that arena means nothing, there's nothing attached to it. I understand that it's not fun to face off against the loser with his Drok's armor, so leave the mission and go back in, you'll be teamed up with someone else / against someone else.
If that doesn't do it, go to the Yak's arena, I doubt the griefers will be there, since there's too much danger a lvl 10 mesmer will simply gank them, and that's the last thing they want.

STOP ASKING FOR NERFS PLEASE.

Creston

salja Wachi · Jun 20, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Saerden

I believe the running will be nerfed: the devs made clear that the competitive part in this game is to get 3 characters through the story without commiting suicide. Everything that is a way around the "intended" progression is an exploit or at least an oversight that will be fixed soon.

Honestly, if you think that these people are "cheating" then welcome, you found your new home, grind wars. Dont mind the whiners over there who keep shouting about "skill>time" and such nonesense. They will leave after next weeks updates.

where is it written that you have to move 3 characters along the storyline and not deviate?????

that is one of the most absurd comments i have seen posted here

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 20, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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STOP ASKING FOR NERFS PLEASE

/clap

asdar · Jun 20, 2005, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Did I say shut off Lornars ever in any post anywhere?

I love Lornars pass, it was the first challenge for me in the game. I made it through when I was 17 by fighting in a group that was dedicated.

You have no morals if you fight in Drak armor in the Ascalon arena, that's all I'm saying. Don't try and add anything when you quote me. I'll stand by my quotes because I don't lie and I don't hide behind technicalities like, "the game allows it."

You are willing to cheat and grief others and think that it's fine as long as the game allows you to. That shows an extreme lack of character.

That doesn't mean that Lornar's should be closed. I hope they don't close it because of a few moral midgets who can't win in the real arenas so they take advantage of lower levels.

Creston · Jun 20, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by asdar

Did I say shut off Lornars ever in any post anywhere?

I love Lornars pass, it was the first challenge for me in the game. I made it through when I was 17 by fighting in a group that was dedicated.

You have no morals if you fight in Drak armor in the Ascalon arena, that's all I'm saying. Don't try and add anything when you quote me. I'll stand by my quotes because I don't lie and I don't hide behind technicalities like, "the game allows it."

You are willing to cheat and grief others and think that it's fine as long as the game allows you to. That shows an extreme lack of character.

That doesn't mean that Lornar's should be closed. I hope they don't close it because of a few moral midgets who can't win in the real arenas so they take advantage of lower levels.

Ehhh, hello, kindly stop making assumptions. thank you.

I've stated quite specifically that I DO NOT use armor for griefing lower level arenas, and in fact, I've given specific options what you can do to idiots who do that. Try to read a bit further than the first two words. I got my armor because I'm bored with slogging my way through Kryta. End.

What I'm saying is that removing the ability to rush to Droknar's just because there are a RARE FEW griefers in the Ascalon arena is ridiculous, because if we start thinking along that line, we might as well just nerf the entire game.

Creston

asdar · Jun 20, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27

My comment wasn't really directed at you Creston.

I responded to someone's assumption that I was for closing off Lornars. I clearly am not for that.

I apologize if it seemed that my post was directed at you, it wasn't.

It was directed at people who think it's ok to get Drak armor and go back to the Ascalon arena in their Drak armor for easy wins.

Creston · Jun 20, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by asdar

We're not arguing at all Creston. My post wasn't directed at you at all and I wasn't making an assumption about you.

Oh, sorry about that

Please quote next time.

Creston

Ryoushi · Jun 20, 2005, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Okay, upon further consideration of this matter, it was really stupid of me to suggest ANet should nerf it, but I do think it is a kind of balancing issue. Also, I should clear things up that the big problem I have with it is first-timers doing it. I can perfectly understand doing it for kicks on your next three times through.

_J_ · Jun 21, 2005, 12:21 AM // 00:21

I have never tried the run, or asked anyone to do it for me because I want to go through the whole game with my characters. However, Its not up to anyone to decide if it lessens the enjoyment for those who chose to use the run. After-all thats YOUR opinion, not theirs. Also, if the developers didnt want people doing the run...they wouldnt have put the passage there. Finally, I have seen lvl 13-16 characters floating around the forge, but they never get groups and they wont last long out there solo, theyt havent ascended so they wont see the Mursaat killing them in them in the missions will they? With all that said just be like good little New Yorkers and mind your own business...

Darc.Syde · Jun 21, 2005, 12:36 AM // 00:36

who cares if they got further, they will still need to go through the game to get skill points... i hate whn forge runners take yor gemz too, even after you let them have your rune...